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01-07-2010, 6:42 AM Pim206Gti Joined on 11-26-2009 Netherlands, Europe Posts 71 Ex School Bikes on the road I don't know how it works in other countries but in Europe it is impossible to register a vehicle without the proper documentation. If I would buy a school bike which VIN number never has been registrated and therefore never has been issued the right papers , I couldn't put it on the road. I can try to register it as a homebuilt/experimental by myself, but surely they wouldn't accept a motorcycle which looks 100% like the original . Definetly I cannot get it approved/accepted as an Honda ....... How does this works in the USA ?  Honda clearly didn't want these school bikes ever to hit the road. But on this forum several examples can be found. Pim Honda CBX1000 A ( exploded in my garage ) Honda CX500 Turbo ( summer fun ) Honda CB450S ( cheap - winter fun ) Golden boomerang wheels rock ............    Report

01-07-2010, 10:09 AM RichNCT Joined on 03-02-2006 Connecticut, USA Posts 3,463 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road In the USA it varies by state.  In Connecticut where I live, if a vehicle is over 25 years old, all you really need is a simple Bill of Sale signed by somebody (sometimes my wife LOL), and they do a visual inspection to verify the VIN (so their computer check is for the right vehicle).  VIN inspection cost $5 last I checked.  When missing a signature I have told the clerk "Wait a minute, I have that guy waiting in my car, I'll just go out and have him sign it".  It has worked!  They are most concerned that the check is signed.   Some states are much tougher though. Refueling on The James Bay Road, 2009 Born to be relatively wild (for a grampa x 3) GL650I, CX650E, CX650T    Report

01-07-2010, 10:14 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Furthermore, aren't some school bikes missing their vins (ie. removed or otherwise altered so that they could not be read and consequently never titled)? 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

01-07-2010, 10:49 AM CXSarnia Joined on 01-11-2008 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Posts 2,623 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road I think, as far as DMV is concerned, they just need something to prove the bike is what it is, and that there are no reports of it either being stolen, or being written off in an accident.  In Ontario, a simple letter & signature, with price paid, and in the case of anything that might be vintage, a certificate of it's actual value, is all that is required.  They will provide a mandatory search of previous owners on the vin, which cost another $25.  Once done, you're on the road.  All this, assuming there is an actual VIN - I can't imagine that Honda would NOT put some sort of vin on the actual frame - which is where they looked for mine, and not just an ID plate.  (ID plates can be removed/replaced, but the stamp on the frame is pretty much forever.) 2009 DN-01 Spakin' New! 1982 CX500 Turbo & Parts bike 1981 SL185 Yamaha Exciter 198? V45 Magna 1979 CX500 Deluxe 1982 CB750K Daily rider September 1999 1982 CX500 Custom - project Originally bought April 1982 safetied and on the road 09/2008    Report

01-07-2010, 10:56 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  CXSarnia wrote: All this, assuming there is an actual VIN - I can't imagine that Honda would NOT put some sort of vin on the actual frame - which is where they looked for mine, and not just an ID plate.  (ID plates can be removed/replaced, but the stamp on the frame is pretty much forever.) I didn't write anything about not putting a vin on them, I asked about the VINs being altered beyond recognition.  Remember legally these bikes were never supposed to leave the school which means they were not to be sold or licensed.  With this in mind, even if you get one with a title, there may be a skeleton in the closet waiting to bite you when you go to register it in your state.  You never know what a DMV VIN check by your state may turn up... As a side note, though it may be hard to imagine, there are former school bike engines out there without any numbers on the case... 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

01-07-2010, 11:05 AM CXSarnia Joined on 01-11-2008 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Posts 2,623 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road my 'school engine' has a complete and legible number.  Not that the DMV cares about parts that are on a bike...only the frame numbers. 2009 DN-01 Spakin' New! 1982 CX500 Turbo & Parts bike 1981 SL185 Yamaha Exciter 198? V45 Magna 1979 CX500 Deluxe 1982 CB750K Daily rider September 1999 1982 CX500 Custom - project Originally bought April 1982 safetied and on the road 09/2008    Report

01-07-2010, 11:10 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  CXSarnia wrote: my 'school engine' has a complete and legible number.  Not that the DMV cares about parts that are on a bike...only the frame numbers. The ebay listings from both times it was sold never mentioned that the 500T engine had been changed out with a 500T school engine.  How did you figure that out?  1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

01-07-2010, 11:10 AM lucky Joined on 03-06-2009 kingman az age 26 Posts 1,443 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road ok what is a school bike i cant find anything on the net about them 1982 honda cx500c 1979 honda xr185 dirt bike If you can read this thank a TEACHER If you're reading this in ENGLISH thank a SOLDIER http://globalcxglvtwins.hostingdelivered.com/    Report

01-07-2010, 11:16 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  lucky wrote: ok what is a school bike i cant find anything on the net about them Here is a great explanation from the Motorcycle Classics article this past summer on the 1983 CX650T "When Honda engineered the Turbo, the company was concerned that dealerships wouldn’t know how to work on them. According to information in Turbo News and On Boost newsletters, derived from an unnamed former Honda employee, of the approximately 1,200 CX650 Turbos imported into the U.S. and Canada, half supposedly went to Honda tech schools and junior college mechanics programs. Honda specified in the donation agreement that tech school bikes were not supposed to leave the school, and the instructors were supposed to destroy them after the model was discontinued.Supposedly, a lot of the tech school Turbos leaked out into the marketplace. “Some people have actually purchased bikes directly from a school for an insanely low price,” Ron explains. “As far as I know, these sources have dried up, but no one ever knows what lurks in the tech school basement.” Why so many “school” bikes? If true, it would suggest Honda had long-term plans for the CX650T, plans that were quietly shelved when the bike failed to deliver a market." 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

01-07-2010, 11:18 AM CXSarnia Joined on 01-11-2008 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Posts 2,623 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  wildmanwill wrote:  CXSarnia wrote: my 'school engine' has a complete and legible number.  Not that the DMV cares about parts that are on a bike...only the frame numbers. The ebay listings from both times it was sold never mentioned that the 500T engine had been changed out with a 500T school engine.  How did you figure that out? Sorry for the confusion, wrong bike Wildman... it was the CXCustom '82 that got the brand new GL500 engine from a school in California.  The turbo disaster is still waiting for a good once over to find the real condition of  it's engine....although the one time I rode it, it pulled strong and reliable - till it ran out of gas from the hole in the tank!  (on my todo list for sure!) 2009 DN-01 Spakin' New! 1982 CX500 Turbo & Parts bike 1981 SL185 Yamaha Exciter 198? V45 Magna 1979 CX500 Deluxe 1982 CB750K Daily rider September 1999 1982 CX500 Custom - project Originally bought April 1982 safetied and on the road 09/2008    Report

01-07-2010, 11:20 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  CXSarnia wrote:  wildmanwill wrote:  CXSarnia wrote: my 'school engine' has a complete and legible number.  Not that the DMV cares about parts that are on a bike...only the frame numbers. The ebay listings from both times it was sold never mentioned that the 500T engine had been changed out with a 500T school engine.  How did you figure that out? Sorry for the confusion, wrong bike Wildman... it was the CXCustom '82 that got the brand new GL500 engine from a school in California.  The turbo disaster is still waiting for a good once over to find the real condition of  it's engine....although the one time I rode it, it pulled strong and reliable - till it ran out of gas from the hole in the tank!  (on my todo list for sure!)   Seeings how this is a post in the turbo section regarding turbo school bikes....I couldn't figure out why you would be bringing a GL500 crate engine into the discussion so I immediately ruled that out as a possibility.  At the same time I was also confused by the prospect of a 500 Turbo school bike (from which you had an engine in your bike)...  So I figured it was probably your Gl500 crate engine that you were referring to.  Thanks for confirming. 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

01-07-2010, 11:32 AM TurboNorm Joined on 04-25-2008 Belgium Posts 39 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road In Belgium you need a proof of conformity, provided by the manufacturer and a licence registration (free) If you import a bike lets say from Holland i have to import it officially through customs witch costs me the incredible ammount of 3 eurocent. I dont have a proof of conformity as the bike wasnt imported by the manufacturer but i just need to send copies off the papers from Holland to our DMV and i receive a conformity, completely free again, and with that i can get the bike licenced again for free. I thought the school bikes in the US were extra stamped in the frame "not for road use", or something similar, and delvered without papers, to make sure they didnt see the road anymore. I am sad though they gave all the bikes away in the US and we didnt share in this.... Would love to find one of those here..... There were only 110 500T's and 10 650T's originally sold here in Belgium. No surprise its bloomin hard to find spares over here. 01 Honda CB50 J 04 Honda CX500 TURBO 03 Honda CX650 TURBO 01 Honda CBR1100 XX Super Blackbird    Report

01-07-2010, 12:49 PM kap384 Joined on 01-05-2010 Calgary, AB Canada Posts 9 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road . 1983 Honda CX650T 1977 Honda CB750F 2002 Honda VFR800I 1965 Suzuki T10    Report

01-07-2010, 1:14 PM TurboNorm Joined on 04-25-2008 Belgium Posts 39 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road So no extra stamping anywhere to indicate it was a schoolbike? Not even on the steering head? 01 Honda CB50 J 04 Honda CX500 TURBO 03 Honda CX650 TURBO 01 Honda CBR1100 XX Super Blackbird    Report

01-09-2010, 4:43 PM kap384 Joined on 01-05-2010 Calgary, AB Canada Posts 9 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road 1983 Honda CX650T 1977 Honda CB750F 2002 Honda VFR800I 1965 Suzuki T10    Report

01-09-2010, 4:49 PM George in Indiana Joined on 03-03-2006 Posts 954 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road If I found an unmolested 300 mile school bike, I guarantee I would find a way to get it plated...legal or not. CX500 TURBO CX650 TURBO '04 GSX1300R Hayabusa    Report

01-09-2010, 5:00 PM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Yeah that'd be a nice, rare find...unmolested school bike. 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

01-09-2010, 5:12 PM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road i've seen school bikes with the VIN tag on the side of the frame. Yours may have been removed. However, most that I have seen are still on the side of the frame. Here's the thing.... You don't own that bike....And don't think Honda doesn't have a list of all the VIN's they gave to the school because they do.... A gentleman a few years back who though he would pull a fast one in California found out the hard way when the folks at the DMV couldn't find any registration of his VIN anywhere. Guess what---They contacted Honda.... Guess who came to pick up the bike...Yep... Honda motor company. If you have a school bike, you don't own it. You can't...There was never an MSO produced and Honda never payed the taxes on those bikes. They can't be registered legally by federal and state law. If Honda ever does a querry with all DMV's across the country, more than a few folks might be upset when the Sheriff shows up to reposses their CXT..... This is just the truth about the school bikes... Plain and simple. The school signed an agreement saying that the bike would be given back to Honda or destroyed. Any that got out or away from this did it unlawfully. I've talked to Honda, and done my research. Any ?'s Pete    Report

01-09-2010, 7:56 PM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Thanks for elaborating a little more on the legal aspect that I mentioned earlier in the thread.  Interesting supplemental information... 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

01-10-2010, 10:20 AM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Not trying to scare or offend anyone... Just presenting the facts as my research found. Not saying I'm right, wrong, or in between, but you may want to research before buying a "school bike" Pete    Report

01-10-2010, 11:57 AM phogroian Joined on 01-23-2009 Falls Church, VA USA Posts 95 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road There is a huge difference in laws from state to state.  Since the CXTs are now considered antiques in most states (over 25 years) the rules about titling them may be more lax.  In Virginia where I live, it is virtually impossible to title a vehicle for which there is not an existing title.  Last year I bought a 1974 CB450 in decent condition for $200 from a local dealerships' annual auction of trade-in or consigned,  etc. bikes.  It had no title, but I have a bill of sale from a registered dealer, I paid sales tax, and later paid $8.00 to the VA DMV to perform a title search- which came back with no record of an owner or title. So far so good, right?   I then filed  a notarized application with the state for title of a vehicle with no existing one as per their listed procedure, but no dice- 8 month later I still have no title for this bike.  One legal option is to wait for a cheap CB450 basket case with title to come up for sale, strip it to the frame, and rebuild it with parts from the other bike (lots of labor).  The illegal easy way is to have the good bike simply assume the identity of the basketcase- not a good idea.  There are some wrecked CXT650TDs out there with titles,  but they tend to get parted out (and the frame thrown away)  instead of being the basis of a school bike frame-off restoration.    Report

01-10-2010, 4:58 PM TonyG Joined on 04-05-2006 Central Pa Posts 745 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  phogroian wrote:   There are some wrecked CXT650TDs out there with titles,  but they tend to get parted out (and the frame thrown away)  instead of being the basis of a school bike frame-off restoration.   For this reason anyone who parts out what they consider to be a unrestorable bike should try to keep the frame weather it it titled or not..  If, as Pete says, a 'school bike' cannot be legally registered and titled, then an option would be to title a untitled non school bike frame and then transfer the parts of the school bike to that frame.  I suppose someone very skilled could weld in the pertinent numbers on each bike and then re stamp the vin numbers on the opposite frames and accomplish the same effect.  Then if Honda ever came after the 'bike' they would only get the frame.  Likewise, if Honda showed up, like Pete says they did, to get a bike, I'd try every trick in the book including calling the Sheriff to try to insure that they only went away with the bare minimum of the frame without even the rear swingarm.  I think that there are alot of 'school bikes' that are titled and registered and have accumulated many miles without incident from DMV or Honda.  So; Pete; did you keep that frame that you got from chicago I think it was.  ???  A school biker might be needing it...    Report

01-10-2010, 6:06 PM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road I have two 650T frames! Both original bikes with titles! There is a method to my madness! :) If I ever buy a school bike with no title, the transfer of parts shall commence! :) :) :) Pete    Report

05-07-2010, 8:41 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Anyone else see the bike on eBay that is blatantly a school bike?  Surprised that eBay hasn't pulled the auction at the request of Honda or someone else.  They pulled my auction down for DirecTV receiver with card, stating that DirecTV claimed that the card was their proprietary property and could not be sold.  I later got an email from someone at DirecTV to the same effect.  Is the black vin plate (as opposed to the brownish one) another tell tale sign of a school bike? 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-07-2010, 10:02 AM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road The VIN tag is fine...Just more proof that the school bikes did have the plates and the numbers in the head... PK    Report

05-07-2010, 10:56 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Ok, why are some black while others are brown?  So far the only black ones I have seen have also been school bikes.  Just curious and trying to learn. If school bikes are not be sold, then how can only openly be sold on eBay like this?  Wouldn't Honda request that the auction be shut down, and/or come for their bike going after the seller and or the school that titled the bike? 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-07-2010, 11:31 AM Cobram Joined on 06-23-2007 Boston, MA Posts 1,547 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road School bikes or anything else donated to a school is the property of the school, they do with it what they want. I have limited personal experience, many moons ago when I played informal rugby in college, a company approached us with an offer to loan our sorry little team a van, chase car, foldable benches, seats etc.  The companies logo (certain UK brewery-hey, they were different times) was to be on all equipment.  The school absolutely refused, they said if they accepted a "loan" of anything, they were legally liable for the value of the equipment, and there was no way (even with a signoff from the company) that they wouldn't be liable for property in use by the school but owned by someone else.  We still made out though, as we got a sweet draft tap and a years worth of free kegs for wearing the uniforms they donated.  Sweet deal since 90% of the our team just winged it and didn't even know what the formal rules of the game were.  Companies don't want to loan anything potentially dangerous either.  GM used to give my HS shop engines all the time, the only thing GM gave a damn about was that they had absolutely no liability from their donation.  GM gave my HS a complete Chevette for shop, the school contemplated selling it, but ended up making more money off it by having a Chevette bash (5 swings of a sledge hammer $5 and you keep what you knock off.)  Once donated and their liability removed, the company could care less what you do with the material, it ain't their problem no-mo. 1978 CX500 - I live on a one-way street that's also a dead end. I'm not sure how I got here, or how I'm going to get out. Four wheels move the body; Two wheels move the Soul.    Report

05-07-2010, 11:49 AM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  Cobram wrote: School bikes or anything else donated to a school is the property of the school, they do with it what they want. I have limited personal experience, many moons ago when I played informal rugby in college, a company approached us with an offer to loan our sorry little team a van, chase car, foldable benches, seats etc.  The companies logo (certain UK brewery-hey, they were different times) was to be on all equipment.  The school absolutely refused, they said if they accepted a "loan" of anything, they were legally liable for the value of the equipment, and there was no way (even with a signoff from the company) that they wouldn't be liable for property in use by the school but owned by someone else.  We still made out though, as we got a sweet draft tap and a years worth of free kegs for wearing the uniforms they donated.  Sweet deal since 90% of the our team just winged it and didn't even know what the formal rules of the game were.  Companies don't want to loan anything potentially dangerous either.  GM used to give my HS shop engines all the time, the only thing GM gave a damn about was that they had absolutely no liability from their donation.  GM gave my HS a complete Chevette for shop, the school contemplated selling it, but ended up making more money off it by having a Chevette bash (5 swings of a sledge hammer $5 and you keep what you knock off.)  Once donated and their liability removed, the company could care less what you do with the material, it ain't their problem no-mo. Cobram - not according to some of Pete's posts above.  Maybe you didn't read them. So anyway, what's the story with the different colored Vin tags, what is their significance if its not related to whether its a school bike or not? 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-07-2010, 12:06 PM Cobram Joined on 06-23-2007 Boston, MA Posts 1,547 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  wildmanwill wrote: Cobram - not according to some of Pete's posts above.  Maybe you didn't read them. So anyway, what's the story with the different colored Vin tags, what is their significance if its not related to whether its a school bike or not? There are at least 2 Petes in this, and neither has really contradicted what I said.  Whether your state will title something is a whole other story.  The same issue occurs when you get a vehicle that's never been titled, a friend bought an executive vehicle from the big GM auction last year, it was an executive's car which was driven 40k miles by a GM exec (under manufacturer plates, I would assume) put in storage and never titled.  He got it titled for $400 though a title company in Alabama, could have done it himself through NH (for $50) but he'd rather just pay someone else to take care of things like that. 1978 CX500 - I live on a one-way street that's also a dead end. I'm not sure how I got here, or how I'm going to get out. Four wheels move the body; Two wheels move the Soul.    Report

05-07-2010, 12:13 PM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  Cobram wrote:  wildmanwill wrote: Cobram - not according to some of Pete's posts above.  Maybe you didn't read them. So anyway, what's the story with the different colored Vin tags, what is their significance if its not related to whether its a school bike or not? There are at least 2 Petes in this, and neither has really contradicted what I said.  Whether your state will title something is a whole other story.  The same issue occurs when you get a vehicle that's never been titled, a friend bought an executive vehicle from the big GM auction last year, it was an executive's car which was driven 40k miles by a GM exec (under manufacturer plates, I would assume) put in storage and never titled.  He got it titled for $400 though a title company in Alabama, could have done it himself through NH (for $50) but he'd rather just pay someone else to take care of things like that. "At least 2 Petes?"  I'm sorry, but who is the other one?  I'm a regular in this section of the forum and am not aware of anyone else by the name of Pete who has posted to this thread.  You previously wrote that "School bikes or anything else donated to a school is the property of the school, they do with it what they want. Once donated and their liability removed, the company could care less what you do with the material, it ain't their problem no-mo." If that was the case, then why did Pete write this above "A gentleman a few years back who though he would pull a fast one in California found out the hard way when the folks at the DMV couldn't find any registration of his VIN anywhere. Guess what---They contacted Honda.... Guess who came to pick up the bike...Yep... Honda motor company. If you have a school bike, you don't own it. You can't...There was never an MSO produced and Honda never payed the taxes on those bikes. They can't be registered legally by federal and state law. If Honda ever does a querry with all DMV's across the country, more than a few folks might be upset when the Sheriff shows up to reposses their CXT....."    Furthermore "The school signed an agreement saying that the bike would be given back to Honda or destroyed. Any that got out or away from this did it unlawfully. I've talked to Honda, and done my research."  Like I wrote in my post above, I thought maybe you missed this post from Pete before joining in on this thread.  Noone contradicted you, but rather you potentially contradicted something that had been previously written, which is why I questioned what you wrote. Obviously Honda cared what happened to this particular school bike.  It was not a case of them caring less about it "no-mo." You discussed the GM exec vehicle in your last post.  I am familiar with the process of titling previously untitled vehicles, having purchased government surplus.  Also since it was previously discussed above, I am quite aware that titling varies from state to state.  Unfortunately, and respectfully, I don't see how what you wrote about the GM vehicle relates to a motorcycle that was donated to a tech school with a signed agreement and without an MSO. Are you ready to answer my vin tag question Cobram? I am really curious about that. 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-07-2010, 12:41 PM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Honda owns the bikes... The schools were just given the privilege to use them... I think I'm only one Pete....????? Some faded from black to brown from sun.... The difference between some of the vehicles that exec's drive is that they do have an MSO and the taxes are paid... Honda never paid the taxes to get the MSO's for the school bikes..They had already lost enough money with R&D..    Report

05-07-2010, 12:46 PM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  CXTURBOBOOST wrote: Honda owns the bikes... The schools were just given the privilege to use them... I think I'm only one Pete....????? Some faded from black to brown from sun.... Some people just don't get that, or don't want to accept that...  CXTURBOBOOST wrote: A gentleman a few years back who though he would pull a fast one in California found out the hard way when the folks at the DMV couldn't find any registration of his VIN anywhere. Guess what---They contacted Honda.... Guess who came to pick up the bike...Yep... Honda motor company. If you have a school bike, you don't own it. You can't...There was never an MSO produced and Honda never payed the taxes on those bikes. They can't be registered legally by federal and state law. If Honda ever does a querry with all DMV's across the country, more than a few folks might be upset when the Sheriff shows up to reposses their CXT..... This is just the truth about the school bikes... Plain and simple. The school signed an agreement saying that the bike would be given back to Honda or destroyed. Any that got out or away from this did it unlawfully. I've talked to Honda, and done my research. Any ?'s Pete Interesting about the VIN tags.  Even the "show quality" Turbo that was recently up, the one that had been gone over by Tim Deinhard and Greg Goss, has a brown vin tag.  So this bike suffered sun fading, as well as many others?  1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-07-2010, 12:48 PM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Will, My "show" bike has a black tag...It's never been touched by anyone with 69 original miles (not a school bike-sold by the local dealer) I think the sun fades it to a brownish if exposed as I looked at some of my other bikes... PK    Report

05-07-2010, 12:50 PM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Interesting.  Just something I had observed and wanted to ask about.  1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-07-2010, 12:53 PM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Also, The 650T you are referring to was not original...Things had been polished, painted, etc... PK    Report

05-07-2010, 12:59 PM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road I have seen multiple brown ones, just used the one above as an example.  Yeah, we know that bike was prepped!   Makes sense about the sun though, it sure can take a toll on things.  Its weird though that it doesn't turn the black tag above it brown as well, unless thats a decal. 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-07-2010, 2:12 PM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road It's a decal... PK    Report

05-07-2010, 3:38 PM Mothman52 Joined on 09-23-2008 Berkeley, CA Posts 785 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road It always amazes me what I learn on this site. I'd never even heard the tern "school bike" before in my life. Makes me wonder what else I don't about.... 1982 CX500C in Metallic Black & Gray    Report

05-07-2010, 4:16 PM phogroian Joined on 01-23-2009 Falls Church, VA USA Posts 95 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Sounds as if the seller made a very lucky/astute purchase at auction- I wonder what he paid for it.  That said, I would rather have a well cared for 650T with 10K miles on it that one that possibly won't start, has 27 year old brake fluid in it, no battery, no ignition switch, cracked fairing,  and who knows whatever else wrong with it.  The lure here  is the romantic notion of a 13 mile CXT straight out of a time machine, but inexorably time has negatively affected this bike and it needs loving care.    Report

05-07-2010, 4:54 PM phogroian Joined on 01-23-2009 Falls Church, VA USA Posts 95 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Preferably over at my place....    Report

05-11-2010, 12:30 PM wildmanwill Joined on 05-25-2008 Chester County, Pennsylvania Posts 4,034 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road  kap384 wrote: .   Kap something happened to your post.  Don't worry its archived and out there on the internet..."they" know you own one now! 1983 CX650 Turbo 1982 CX500 Custom Donating Member    Report

05-15-2010, 3:19 PM MotoMartin Joined on 03-02-2010 Oceanside California Posts 36 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Classy move wildmanwill now the Honda fascists are going to breaking down his door demanding their 30 year old bike back. Seems like Honda's deal was with the schools so they would not have a direct recourse with the eventual bike owner. You may not be able to legally register the bike for the road, but that does not mean they could legally take it back. I'd be interested if Honda really does care about these loaner CX650T's, do they verify the schools are still using them? When the bike's motor is thrashed, and the bike is no longer useful as a teaching tool, do they come and pick up what's left? I doubt it, typically like the other poster stated, the product donors are more concerned about their liability than anything else.    Report

05-16-2010, 7:58 AM CXTURBOBOOST Joined on 05-02-2007 Lincoln, NE Posts 440 Re: Ex School Bikes on the road Well, For one you are breaking federal law...The import taxes were never paid on those bikes and no MSO was created. You can't legally own it according to US law... PK    Report

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