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03-01-2010, 2:44 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 rear cover and engine hey,should the output splined shaft come away with the rear cover. iv got the cover about 20mm up. thanks when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 2:48 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover no worries,i can see it doesnt. its off when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 3:19 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover ok,is it ok to clean and pressure washer the inside of the rear case where the stator is,or no? and the engine[inside as well] or no? when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 3:53 AM Shep Joined on 01-30-2007 UK.2x1980CX500A Posts 7,638 Re: rear cover  spanish bandit wrote: ok,is it ok to clean and pressure washer the inside of the rear case where the stator is,or no? and the engine[inside as well] or no? Yes but put the jet on wide and not narrow and so you can do no damage.I then spray ACF50 onto the Stator etc once dry.Because of ACF50's molecular creep technology it will add some insulation protection to the windings(If open winding type stator and not epoxied type) and it virtually impervious to being removed by the hot oil splashes the Stator receives. HTH :) My Music http://www.reverbnation.com/pauldouglas/ Join Just In Case :) http://globalcxglvtwins.hostingdelivered.com/ Id quot circumiret, circumveniat    Report

03-01-2010, 4:03 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover  Shep wrote:  spanish bandit wrote: ok,is it ok to clean and pressure washer the inside of the rear case where the stator is,or no? and the engine[inside as well] or no? Yes but put the jet on wide and not narrow and so you can do no damage.I then spray ACF50 onto the Stator etc once dry.Because of ACF50's molecular creep technology it will add some insulation protection to the windings(If open winding type stator and not epoxied type) and it virtually impervious to being removed by the hot oil splashes the Stator receives. HTH :) thanks shep,im looking at it now,i think it might be prudent to protect it with a plastic bag and cable ties,but i will flush the engine comp.out to make sure theres no crap left inside. i think my 10 mm thrust washer has welded itself to the polo part of the mech seal. i have 28mm projection on my adjuster,but no chain damage at all rob davis wrote..................... Cam Chain & Tensioner Parts; changing the cam chain The photo (right) shows an automatic tensioner unit which had done 34,000 miles and was completely worn out with a dreadful engine rattle noise. Well over 1 inch of the spring and plunger are visible, and we reckon we caught the engine just in time before serious damage occurred.   when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 8:39 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover rear case back on,engine turns fine from front 17mm nut,its like you can hear the chain turning at the rear.is that normal? all gears good. or is it just a new and dry chain when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 10:11 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover is thegear dogs in the last photo ok when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 10:57 AM Blue fox Joined on 04-18-2008 COLUMBIA, MISSOURI Posts 1,533 Re: rear cover Bandit,  it looks like things are progressing.  Good thing you renewed the cam chain, it looked to be tensioned all the way out.  Once that lower slipper gets past the bottom of the top one, it's time to do it. I can't tell with the reflection on the gear pawl, does the pawl attached to the change lever have teeth left on it?  It almost appears that it doesn't.  The teeth should mesh with the teeth of  the actuating arm.  It may just be the picture. Did you inspect the rollers in the starting sprague clutch while you had the flywheel off?  I am getting close to pulling mine off and want to inspect the clutch, but don't really know what to look for.  Or how much wear is acceptable. Keep up the postings.   Blue Fox 1983 GL650I, 79-CX500C, 1980 CX500C, 82-GL500I, 82-GL1100, 76-CB550, 81-CB750C, 73-CB350F, 71-CT90,    Report

03-01-2010, 11:12 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover  Blue fox wrote: Bandit,  it looks like things are progressing.  Good thing you renewed the cam chain, it looked to be tensioned all the way out.  Once that lower slipper gets past the bottom of the top one, it's time to do it. I can't tell with the reflection on the gear pawl, does the pawl attached to the change lever have teeth left on it?  It almost appears that it doesn't.  The teeth should mesh with the teeth of  the actuating arm.  It may just be the picture. Keep up the postings.   thanks blue,its just the picture,plus i can get all the gears. any input on the noise. if you put a 17mm rachets on the front,and turn in 2 inch turns you hear the noise every time,or is it just the new chain running against dry guides. its had no oil there for a week when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 11:23 AM Blue fox Joined on 04-18-2008 COLUMBIA, MISSOURI Posts 1,533 Re: rear cover I'm not sure on the noise, I would think you are correct in that it is just normal chain rubbing against the the guides.  And the fact that you are listening intently hoping not to hear anything.  I would think that by the time you got oil in it, engine back in and running, and were sitting on the seat after a bottle of wine, that the noise will go away. Blue Fox 1983 GL650I, 79-CX500C, 1980 CX500C, 82-GL500I, 82-GL1100, 76-CB550, 81-CB750C, 73-CB350F, 71-CT90,    Report

03-01-2010, 11:31 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover that is just so funny its not coming from the block,so the valve timing is good,i locked the front of the crank when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 12:17 PM Eurovee. Joined on 12-29-2006 Euroland Posts 513 Re: rear cover It doesn`t look like the gear teeth are meshed properly in that pic? That camchain is at the limit of the tensioners travel,was it making itself heard? Re noise: are you turning the crank clockwise from the front? You shouldn`t have any noticeable chain noise. CX650 Eurosprout CX500 Eurospurt GL650 Silverthing CX/GL 500 CX-periment 24 years and 140,000 miles a CXian...    Report

03-01-2010, 12:42 PM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover  Eurovee. wrote: It doesn`t look like the gear teeth are meshed properly in that pic? That camchain is at the limit of the tensioners travel,was it making itself heard? Re noise: are you turning the crank clockwise from the front? You shouldn`t have any noticeable chain noise. hi Eurovee,i think the gear teeth picture is bad the picture is of the adjuster i just took out,no noise,no damage always clockwise,to tighten noise,mmmmmmmmmm,im gona have to sleep on it,might just pull the rear cover again thank you when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 1:14 PM Blue fox Joined on 04-18-2008 COLUMBIA, MISSOURI Posts 1,533 Re: rear cover If you are going to pull the cover off again, Bandit, humor us and take another picture of the teeth on the shifter arms.  The more I look at that picture, the more worried I become.  You should be able to spin the engine with the rear cover off I believe.  That may help isolate the sound you are hearing.  Blue Fox 1983 GL650I, 79-CX500C, 1980 CX500C, 82-GL500I, 82-GL1100, 76-CB550, 81-CB750C, 73-CB350F, 71-CT90,    Report

03-01-2010, 3:20 PM Shep Joined on 01-30-2007 UK.2x1980CX500A Posts 7,638 Re: rear cover  Blue fox wrote: If you are going to pull the cover off again, Bandit, humor us and take another picture of the teeth on the shifter arms.  The more I look at that picture, the more worried I become.  You should be able to spin the engine with the rear cover off I believe.  That may help isolate the sound you are hearing.  I agree.If the picture is to be believed they are near to useless My Music http://www.reverbnation.com/pauldouglas/ Join Just In Case :) http://globalcxglvtwins.hostingdelivered.com/ Id quot circumiret, circumveniat    Report

03-01-2010, 4:36 PM Blindstitch Joined on 03-14-2009 Greenfield Wisconsin Posts 9,851 Re: rear cover 1979 CX500 Supertanker ATGATT makes riding a bike like a sled easier. Quick Reference    Report

03-01-2010, 11:04 PM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover  Blue fox wrote: If you are going to pull the cover off again, Bandit, humor us and take another picture of the teeth on the shifter arms.  The more I look at that picture, the more worried I become.  You should be able to spin the engine with the rear cover off I believe.  That may help isolate the sound you are hearing.  blue,i slept on it.its gona have to come apart.i need to be 100% sure all is well,not 99%. before i refit it to the bike. shep,i think the pictures came out so bad was because of the bright lights i had behind me while i was working. don,the paws are exactly like your diagram. before i took the chain cam off,i locked the front of the engine.the sprocket came off,changed the chain,and the 2 bolts went back into the cam gear as it come off,so the valve timing must be good,yes? thanks all,dont know if ill get much done to-day,its gona be busy at work. when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-01-2010, 11:13 PM Blindstitch Joined on 03-14-2009 Greenfield Wisconsin Posts 9,851 Re: rear cover SB on crappy point and shot digital cameras or even my cell phone I tend to lock the flash on so it takes equally exposed pictures. Sometimes it doesn't work but if I want it done right I'll use my good camera. Try and be productive while I sleep. 1979 CX500 Supertanker ATGATT makes riding a bike like a sled easier. Quick Reference    Report

03-01-2010, 11:16 PM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover  Blindstitch wrote: SB on crappy point and shot digital cameras or even my cell phone I tend to lock the flash on so it takes equally exposed pictures. Sometimes it doesn't work but if I want it done right I'll use my good camera. Try and be productive while I sleep. don,normally my cameras ok,ill try again when the covers off cheers when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-03-2010, 1:28 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover hey guys,i ended up with enough time yesterday,but had trouble with photobucket. anyway,i took the cover back off to source the noises............... noise 1.....was the adjuster[new and dry] pushing against the chain[new and dry]. iv marked the position in blue,top right of the photo.i painted some fresh oil there,the noise nearly went away. noise 2.....was metal clinking,that was the gear that takes the starting motor,it was just the noise of where it connects to the starter clutch.because there was no starter in,there was no resistance.marked blue bottom left. popped the starting motor in,with a little fresh oil on the cogs,the noise dissapeared. i am glad i took it apart again,now i feel 100% happy[with a prayer] appreciate the help,to stop me falling on my head. the gear pawl is fine,it was the bright lights i had behind me that gave a reflection,showing there was no teeth on the pawl. [shep,thanks for offering to fly out here and weld some new gears to the pawl] onwards and upwards.to-day the heads are coming off. Thanks again guys when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-03-2010, 5:56 AM Blue fox Joined on 04-18-2008 COLUMBIA, MISSOURI Posts 1,533 Re: rear cover Thanks for the update, Bandit.  I feel much better now and will be able to do my mid morning and afternoon nap without the cloud of your missing teeth disturbing my concentration.  It sounds like you are ready to slip things back together and be ready for a test ride by the weekend.  Good job.  Did you end up replacing any thing but the cam chain in there?  Were the guides, etc OK?   What about the starting clutch, any wear there that you could tell? I assume you did the oil seal, shift seal, final drive seal, and mech seal?  How many miles on your bike since the chain was changed?   Blue Fox 1983 GL650I, 79-CX500C, 1980 CX500C, 82-GL500I, 82-GL1100, 76-CB550, 81-CB750C, 73-CB350F, 71-CT90,    Report

03-03-2010, 6:17 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover  Blue fox wrote: Thanks for the update, Bandit.  I feel much better now and will be able to do my mid morning and afternoon nap without the cloud of your missing teeth disturbing my concentration.  It sounds like you are ready to slip things back together and be ready for a test ride by the weekend.  Good job.  Did you end up replacing any thing but the cam chain in there?  Were the guides, etc OK?   What about the starting clutch, any wear there that you could tell? I assume you did the oil seal, shift seal, final drive seal, and mech seal?  How many miles on your bike since the chain was changed?   blue,im pretty sure the backs never been opened up.so all origional[51k miles ago] did all seals and o rings starter clutck looked good new chain adjuster and guide. buttoned the covers back up,just pulled one of the heads........not a pretty sight.....2-3 mm of carbon build up.ill post a picture later. enjoy your snooze mate when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-03-2010, 7:33 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover when i first bought my bike,i bought a set of gaskets from the bay,it included 8 valve guides[i think]. is it easy to get the old ones out[even though they seem ok] and are the new ones i have any better that the old ones when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-03-2010, 10:28 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover and engine had a good day today,what a mess the heads were in. They do clean up nice though. anyone got on the thoughts about the valve guides,or should i just leave well alone when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-03-2010, 1:20 PM Blue fox Joined on 04-18-2008 COLUMBIA, MISSOURI Posts 1,533 Re: rear cover and engine Amazing what a coat of wax will do.  I don't know on the valve guides.  Can you feel any wiggle to the valves when you have them in the guides?  Compare that to how they feel slipped in to your new guides.   I have never tried changing them, I assume they need to be pressed out, then new ones in.  If they seemed tight, I would probably just leave well enough alone.  But wiser folks will chime in soon.  Blue Fox 1983 GL650I, 79-CX500C, 1980 CX500C, 82-GL500I, 82-GL1100, 76-CB550, 81-CB750C, 73-CB350F, 71-CT90,    Report

03-03-2010, 3:27 PM Shep Joined on 01-30-2007 UK.2x1980CX500A Posts 7,638 Re: rear cover and engine If you were not using excessive oil don't worry about the valve guides.you don't mention if you have re-ground the valves in?I would. My Music http://www.reverbnation.com/pauldouglas/ Join Just In Case :) http://globalcxglvtwins.hostingdelivered.com/ Id quot circumiret, circumveniat    Report

03-03-2010, 4:19 PM Eurovee. Joined on 12-29-2006 Euroland Posts 513 Re: rear cover  spanish bandit wrote: when i first bought my bike,i bought a set of gaskets from the bay,it included 8 valve guides[i think]. is it easy to get the old ones out[even though they seem ok] and are the new ones i have any better that the old ones Your gasket kit would of included valve stem seals not valve guides, and they just pull off the valve guide. Yes - replace them. CX650 Eurosprout CX500 Eurospurt GL650 Silverthing CX/GL 500 CX-periment 24 years and 140,000 miles a CXian...    Report

03-03-2010, 11:00 PM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover  Eurovee. wrote:  spanish bandit wrote: when i first bought my bike,i bought a set of gaskets from the bay,it included 8 valve guides[i think]. is it easy to get the old ones out[even though they seem ok] and are the new ones i have any better that the old ones Your gasket kit would of included valve stem seals not valve guides, and they just pull off the valve guide. Yes - replace them. Thanks Eurovee,ill give that a go [sorry about my bad explanation] also thanks to blue and shep......yes i did lap the valves in.had no choice , exhaust valves had some pitting,plus its an easy job to do on the bench.nice to stand up straight and work edit.....2 minute job,thanks Eurovee.right head re-built,now for the otherside,i wonder if that will be any prettier when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-10-2010, 9:05 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover cleaned the carbs again,all back together except fairing and tank.fitted my new chrome water pipe fill the engine with oil thro the pushrods,also liberally coated valves etc.put the battery in.bingo.kill switch off.it spins.im gona add petrol to the carbs to morrow...and pray she fires up when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-11-2010, 2:20 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover and engine well it fired up and sounds nice.im over the moon have a few issues to deal with. question.......can i remove the thermostat without dropping the engine again? perhaps through the side engine hangers or via the top coils? cheers when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-11-2010, 3:30 AM Shep Joined on 01-30-2007 UK.2x1980CX500A Posts 7,638 Re: rear cover and engine  spanish bandit wrote: well it fired up and sounds nice.im over the moon have a few issues to deal with. question.......can i remove the thermostat without dropping the engine again? perhaps through the side engine hangers or via the top coils? cheers Although I don't have a GL you should be able to take the thermostat out without dropping the engine. My Music http://www.reverbnation.com/pauldouglas/ Join Just In Case :) http://globalcxglvtwins.hostingdelivered.com/ Id quot circumiret, circumveniat    Report

03-11-2010, 3:32 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover and engine  Shep wrote:  spanish bandit wrote: well it fired up and sounds nice.im over the moon have a few issues to deal with. question.......can i remove the thermostat without dropping the engine again? perhaps through the side engine hangers or via the top coils? cheers Although I don't have a GL you should be able to take the thermostat out without dropping the engine. thanks shep,i think the easiest is to try and go in via the coils when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-11-2010, 3:38 AM Shep Joined on 01-30-2007 UK.2x1980CX500A Posts 7,638 Re: rear cover and engine On a CX you can get to the housing even with the coils in place.It's quite common after an engine out to get a leak from one of the Thermostat housing transfer pipes and have to pull them out and check the o-rings and sometimes use a bit of silicone sealer.It's easy to crush or malform the seals when the pipes are inserted.A bit like the carbs it can take a couple of goes to get them right. My Music http://www.reverbnation.com/pauldouglas/ Join Just In Case :) http://globalcxglvtwins.hostingdelivered.com/ Id quot circumiret, circumveniat    Report

03-11-2010, 4:10 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover and engine thanks shep,its sorted when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-11-2010, 4:47 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover and engine update..starts as before,instant.revs great......up at normal temperature,no water leaks 2 oil leals.coming from both plug weep holes.i did use 2 new rocker cover gaskets,but not plug gasket within the rocker cover. would that explain the identical leaks? overall im over the moon.thanks for all your help and advice when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

03-11-2010, 8:32 AM kingston73 Joined on 04-19-2008 Bellingham, MA Posts 1,722 Re: rear cover and engine That would make sense, maybe the center donut gasket didn't get seated correctly? 1979 cx500D - mostly stock    Report

03-11-2010, 8:39 AM spanish bandit Joined on 02-12-2009 southern spain Posts 4,999 Re: rear cover and engine  kingston73 wrote: That would make sense, maybe the center donut gasket didn't get seated correctly? replaced them with my old gasket[they are slightly different kingston]just a dribble on one side now...thanks kingston it makes sense....if you replace a gasket,you should do the plug seal as well,as they lie on the same plane,and you cant tighten down hard when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s ----------------------------- 2008.1982 honda gli silverwing [uk model ] 2010.1981 honda gli silverwing [uk model ]    Report

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