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Started by Blindstitch at 04-04-2009 7:38 PM. Topic has 41 replies.
  
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 04-04-2009, 7:38 PM
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Blindstitch
 
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Greenfield Wisconsin
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How to make a non title bike legal.
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Step 1. Start with a non titled bike.
Step 2. Find someone to help you with it.
Step 3. Get a titled frame
Step 4. Get to work.
Note.... I learned something today. Why take the engine out of the bike when you can take the bike out of the engine. With the bike on a good jack or some cinder blocks supporting the engine. Remove everything off the engine and lift the frame out of the way. A lot easier than the other way around.
This took under 8 hours including eating lunch at subway and running around a bit.
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04-04-2009, 8:00 PM
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Wood_Dubby
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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I wonder if you could just switch tags (if you're careful)?
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04-04-2009, 8:02 PM
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Blindstitch
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Greenfield Wisconsin
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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The frame has the Vin stamped on the tag and in the frame.
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04-04-2009, 10:27 PM
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NateDawg
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Oshkosh WI
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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Thanks for taking the photos along the way for us Don. Is the tank nickle plated? Think its possible to grind off the vin from the frame and re punch it? I havent seen punches that size but maybe someone else has?
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04-05-2009, 3:05 AM
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Blindstitch
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Greenfield Wisconsin
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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Matt would know more on the car but it's probably in the range. I may have it wrong but I think it started with a 289 and was bored over. The car is very yellow.
The tank and everything on the bike is just bare metal for now.
As for the VIN it's just easier this way and legal. Now I would have like to modify the frame to fit what he's doing with the rear section first and clean it all up and repaint it but I guess that's what winter is for. Wouldn't be hard to put jack up the engine again and put a good sturdy platform under it. Some thing the size of a milk crate to hold the engine and lift the rear over the engine, clean up the frame and hang the rear to shoot it with paint except the neck. Let everything dry and sometime down the road re-assemble the bike. If I had a garage that's what I would do.
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04-05-2009, 4:24 AM
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jayhanig
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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You know, I've wondered how likely is it that somebody will ever look at the VIN on the frame? It seems to me that all you need is a good title for an identical model bike. That would allow you to retitle it in your name, then obtain a registration and a license plate.
If you get pulled over, you're going to give the cop your license and registration. I just don't see him looking for the VIN on the bike. It's much easier for him to copy it down from the registration. Assuming the bike and the original title wasn't hot, what's the harm?
Of course, it you total it, the insurance may not pay off but them's the breaks.
I hate dealing with the DMV. They made me go through hell getting my bike registered and it was all legitimate from my point of view. The idiot notary left a line blank and the DMV moron drew a line through it and told me to find the seller again and do it over. Of course my seller was an over the road trucker. What a massive PITA it was.... so I don't mind pulling one over on them if it's possible. I figure they earned it. Like my daddy said, no good deed goes unpunished. That's what I got for trying to do things right.
Jay
82 GL500 Silverwing (naked)
Age 55
Dress for the slide.... not for the ride.
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04-05-2009, 5:53 AM
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Tom2
Joined on 04-01-2009
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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I would imagine you need the frame VIN for the inspection at least..They should check it.
As long as the intentions aren't bad..I don't see any problem with it.
Motorcycle titles seem to get lost all the time. Not sure how someone could lose a title..but some people just don't take too much care of bikes.
What would the DMV rather have? A motorcycle end up in an incinerator or landfill? Or go back on the street as good MPG transportation?
For some states the process isn't too bad. Have the police do a check, get a bill of sale...What else could they need?? .but here, without a title..The best you can do is part it out - or do like the OP did and get a frame with title.
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04-05-2009, 6:55 AM
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Blue fox
Joined on 04-18-2008
COLUMBIA, MISSOURI
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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I am still going thru the title issue on a GL500. Missouri can also be a pain. The last bike I got, the guy's wife worked for the DMV, so I asked if she could help on my GL. She was helpful and spent a good amount of time running the VIN. The VIN did not show up on any records that they had. Her suggestion was to now get a decoratory petition and present it to the Circuit Court and the judge would issue a directive for a new title if he thought it was justified. I went to the Circuit Court office and they said I may need a lawyer to write it up and filing would be $41.00.
Then I remembered I knew a Circuit judge in an ajoining county and told him my situation. He said, "No problem, we have a form already done for that. Just bring by your Bill of Sale (doesn't have to be notorized), and a report from a law enforcement officer that it hasn't been stolen, and in five minutes you will have what you need". No charge for the service. Last Friday I had a Highway Patrol officer I kinda knew run the VIN, and it came up OK. Now, all I hope I have to do is drive 30 miles over to the adjoining county and have the judge sign off on it. Very easy, if it works. It just took a lot of searching to figure out what to do.
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1983 GL650I, 79-CX500C, 1980 CX500C, 82-GL500I, 82-GL1100, 76-CB550, 81-CB750C, 73-CB350F, 71-CT90,
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04-05-2009, 7:20 PM
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RichNCT
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Connecticut, USA
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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In Connecticut the only thing DMV does check is the VIN, and the headstock stamped VIN to. Selling the bike with the wrong VIN would be difficult, I always check for that to match the title and/or bill of sale when buying. If they don't match, the bike had better be really inexpensive!
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04-05-2009, 9:00 PM
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photoman2k
Joined on 10-18-2008
Puyallup, Washington
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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Hello need4steed,
Good news about the bike. Just a queston about the Stang though. I noticed the Mustang badge on the front fender behind the front wheel, and it doesn't have the engine logo above it. Do you know which engine it had in it from the factory? I'm curious because I've had two of them, a '67 390 GT-A and more recently a '68 with a 6-cylinder three-speed, both of them notch-backs. I sure envy you for yours! Take good care of it....they're addictive!
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04-06-2009, 7:09 AM
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need4steed
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From what i understand, the car came from AZ. (very very clean) I was told that it came stock with a 289, 4 on the floor. The guy said he took that out, sold it, and put in a 302 with some goodies. When i got it, it was waaaaay too under powered. So, after all the work, i am happy with the numbers and how quick she is. He also did some changes of the badges, so that is why it seems a bit wierd. And the moonies are the sweetest wheels. Working one these bikes is so much easier than cars. That car is my first love and will be taken care for a very long time. Thanks for the complement.
What dont kill you makes you more strong...metallica
1980 CX500 (sold)
1982 GL500 (cafe) AKA black bomber (473 Miles since finished build)
1980 xs850 yamaha (sold)
1979 CX500 (Track Bike)
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04-08-2009, 4:36 AM
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luckymike
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Most cops take a look at the vin on the bike when pulled over.Thought I could get away with it last year when I took a short ride on my newly accquired gl.Just swapped plates With my other gl and got pulled over.Cost me $250.Then the state charged me another $200 for driving without insurance which you have to pay for 2 consecutive years.What really burns me is that I seen the cop ,Did everything legal and he still pulled me over.Think he was hopeing that I didn't have an endorsement which is the only legal thing that I actually had.
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04-08-2009, 8:10 AM
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wildmanwill
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 luckymike wrote: | | Most cops take a look at the vin on the bike when pulled over.Thought I could get away with it last year when I took a short ride on my newly accquired gl.Just swapped plates With my other gl and got pulled over.Cost me $250.Then the state charged me another $200 for driving without insurance which you have to pay for 2 consecutive years.What really burns me is that I seen the cop ,Did everything legal and he still pulled me over.Think he was hopeing that I didn't have an endorsement which is the only legal thing that I actually had. |
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Bummer! I didn't know that they typically checked the vin for a routine traffic stop. And you call yourself luckymike? 
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1982 CX500 Custom
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04-08-2009, 8:39 AM
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Blindstitch
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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I think someone was gunning to screw you. Never heard of or see a cop check a vin till now. Only time I hear they check is on inspection for title and if you need regular vehicle inspections.
No lucky for luckymike.
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04-08-2009, 8:49 AM
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chicagorandy
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I reckon that's a solid $450 education into why it's a better idea to only ride licensed and insured vehicles?
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04-08-2009, 4:10 PM
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luckymike
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As soon as I gave him my registration and ins he checked it against my bike vin.Told the judge that I was just going for a test ride around the side streets but he didn't care either.Also showed him that I had a fully insured truck,mini-van,750 nighthawk,and another gl but none of that mattered. The bottom line is that I was wrong for doing it in the first place.That $400 dollar fine for driving without ins the state slapped on is what really pissed me off.
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04-08-2009, 5:11 PM
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jayhanig
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Ouch!
Jay
82 GL500 Silverwing (naked)
Age 55
Dress for the slide.... not for the ride.
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04-08-2009, 5:16 PM
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hakko808
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May have been different color or style that tipped him off. It is not unusual for cops to run check on cars that they get behind. Generally has to be something initially to get pulled over. Not normal just to stop and randomly check things out.
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04-08-2009, 5:24 PM
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marshallf3
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Luckily my insurance covers "substitute vehicle" but there's nothing I could do about a tag not matching. Luckily mine's totally legal albeit I'm still fighting with the state over having to go through so much toruble to get the M endorsement. For God's sake I've owned more bikes than most families have owned cars in their lifetimes and we didn't have this M stuff until recently.
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04-08-2009, 10:07 PM
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HS2500
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Here in MI I haven't had too many problems titling bikes. Lately they have been giving me a little bit of a runaround, but the whole process still takes less than a day.
I take in a signed, dated bill of sale with the VIN. They take it and my phone number and an affidavit I fill out describing how I got the bike. They give me a pink slip so I don't have to wait in line when I come back, and tell me that I have to come back within 24 hrs of their phone call.
They call me back in an hour, tell me it wasn't stolen, and to come get my title...
I've never had a cop check the VIN. Then again I have never been pulled over on a bike either (knock on wood).
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04-08-2009, 10:23 PM
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Blindstitch
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HS2500 put your michigan location in your profile.
That odd paper is a Tr-205. You can print it off at home. Michigan is really easy. A lot better than others. I see all these title less wisconsin bikes and just want to take them home knowing in michigan it's only going to cost $15 plus tax.
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04-23-2009, 5:44 PM
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preacher
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i have a friend, runs a car lot up in missouri. he gets titles for vehicles if they are old enough, from illinios and other states that dont require a title for older vehicles .i cant tell you the specifics but hes been doing it for years, i know for a fact it works.
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04-29-2009, 10:23 AM
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Dash
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It is pretty easy relatively speaking, to get a title in Michigan. I did it last year on my '81 GL500 to avoid the red tape of California.
Luckymike, man that's a bad rap paying those fines for such an infraction that hurts no one. Though I've never had any kind of motorcycle tickets in my life, I had a case about 10 years ago where I got 3 tickets one block from my buddy's house. We were fixing up his late '80's Toyota for his daughter that had been sitting for a couple of years because the shifter linkage jammed up. First thing was to get the motor running. We changed all fluids, installed new battery, and mounted a rebuilt carb. Car coughed to life. After making adjustments, I took it for a little spin around the block. Yep you guessed it, the police pulled me over -- for speeding! He clocked me at 45 in a residential 25 mph zone. I politely explained that it was impossible because the car was stuck in first gear and then I showed him how the shifter couldn't be moved. I urged him to try and move the shifter. No dice. I got the speeding ticket and the cop never tried the shifter. I also got two additional tickets for no plates and no proof of insurance. The maddening part of that is I was only about 15 houses down the street from my buddy's house and he saw the whole thing. He had plates and he had insurance for the car but they weren't on the car. While the police was writing the tickets, he came walking up with the plates and insurance certificate and explained to the police how we were fixing up the car, blah blah blah. Didn't matter, I still got the three tickets.
Of course I went to court over these tickets. The plates and insurance were thrown out immediately. I brought receipts which showed that my friend purchased a variety of parts relating to the shift linkage. I explained that due to being stuck in first gear, the car couldn't possibly exceed 20 mph. The policeman explained to the judge that I had in fact offered to have him try to move the shifter but that he declined. The judge said to me, "You haven't proved anything here." So I still got the speeding ticket.
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'70 Moto Guzzi Ambassador
'75 Suzuki GT250
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'82 GL500 Silverwing <--just bought it 16 Mar 2010
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04-29-2009, 12:25 PM
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tvpierce
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In Maine & New Hampshire (I think Vermont as well) you don't need a title for any vehicle over 15 years old -- which is very cool. Neither my Jeep CJ nor my CX have titles, and they were registered without a hitch.
I've asked how I would get a title if I needed one -- in the event that I move out of state or sell one of the vehicles to someone from out of state. I would have to file some paperwork with the state -- but they were unclear about whether I'd get an acutal title or just an affidavid stating that I owned the car and that Maine does not require titles for vehicles of this age. So far it hasn't been an issue... we'll see.
EDIT: BTW, I really like the blacked-out look of the flat black finish. (and the PBR sticker!)
Current: '79 CX500 Deluxe, '99 Kawasaki Concours (ZG1000)
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05-01-2009, 8:33 PM
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Wood_Dubby
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Do you have problems with you clubman's hitting your tank, or do you just deal with it and not worry about the controls getting banged around?
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05-02-2009, 4:26 PM
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need4steed
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The bars do not hit. Everything is clean and clear. The only issue that came up was the throttle cables. I had to re-route them so they didnt get kinked.
What dont kill you makes you more strong...metallica
1980 CX500 (sold)
1982 GL500 (cafe) AKA black bomber (473 Miles since finished build)
1980 xs850 yamaha (sold)
1979 CX500 (Track Bike)
72 cl350 (cafe project #2) AKA Ol Goat
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05-29-2009, 6:57 AM
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midgtmn
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To expand on some of what others have said, here is my method for getting my bike legal:
Backstory: My bike bounced through 2 other owners without having the title transferred. When it did finally get to me, the title paper was physically damaged enough that the DMV refused to take it, of course "N.G.Cheng" on the original title was no where to be found. The DMV basically said "tough luck, it will never be legal."
I did some digging, and (as posted above) found that Maine doesn't care about titles for bikes this old. So, I "sold" the bike to a friend in Maine for $10. He then insured and registered it in his name. In Maine (and I believe Ohio as well) they just do a transferable registration for non-title vehicles. So my friend from Maine "sells" the bike back to me for 10 bucks (with bill of sale), and signs over the registration. After sitting in line for 2 hours at the DMV yesterday, I now have plates for my CX! Title is on it's way from Albany as well, assuming all the paperwork gets through just fine. Total cost thus far has been $74 to the NY DMV, and about $40 to my friend from Maine to cover the registration and insurance. I think that is about on par with what a titled frame would cost, maybe even less, and I didn't have to tear my bike down!
All just in time for my road test on the 11th...
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05-29-2009, 7:03 AM
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spanish bandit
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good luck with the road test.well done on the transfer.there is always a way round a difficulty,its just looking hard enough to find it.
when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s
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05-29-2009, 7:33 AM
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Blindstitch
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Right now we're doing similar to a GL500. Had no title so Matt gave me the background story then I wrote up a bill of sale and sold it to my brother along with another bike. The following day he went to the dmv and the woman at the counter asked why it didn't have a title and my brother said I was lazy and couldn't find so I wrote up the bill of sale. She said oh and that was the last word. The legal paper title should be on its way to my brother in a few days then down to me to get matts other bike legal.
The real shame is Matt's fiance won't let him ride or get his motorcycle license. So two bikes not getting the riding that they deserve.
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05-29-2009, 11:02 AM
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spanish bandit
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blind stich wrote Right now we're doing similar to a GL500.
with the resources of this forum its a shame to let any cx/gl go without a title.and stay off the road for that reason.
surely theres enough members in enough states to sort it out,just help each other
when i feel the need,i do it,llego,ve 60,s
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05-29-2009, 11:24 AM
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D & D
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This works, just costs a few bucks....
http://www.its-titles.com/
This goes through maine, if you know someone that can get info on the last owner, apply for a lost title, but find a notory that will do thier thing, then bring it to the dmv, with your address in the mail too, tell em its a one time deal. This works to, and your ins agent can find out with the VIN if the bike was stolen or not, probably find out the last owner also.
Dick
1980 FXSLR
1982 CX500c
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05-29-2009, 4:15 PM
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Blindstitch
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Greenfield Wisconsin
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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In Michigan you just need a friend and a form. The form is basically a bill of sale but not. This is the third bike that we have registered without title between me an my brother in the last 6 months.
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06-05-2009, 9:45 AM
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DaWei
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Northfield, Atlantic County, NJ
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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29 May 2009, 6:57 AM
My bike bounced through 2 other owners without having the title transferred.... |
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Evan -
Since you didn't mention expenses for transporting the bike to Maine, do we understand that Maine DMV did not insist on the bike being present in Maine for this process? If that is so, your friend in Maine may be able to assist Keith!
Dave in NJ
'80 CX500 C - needs Triple Bypass - but TITLED!
'78 CX500 - Working on NJ DMV Title
Where's the BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
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06-05-2009, 9:59 AM
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midgtmn
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Rochester, NY - USA
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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The bike never left my property (except for some "test rides") throughout the whole process, Maine didn't need to see the bike. As far as my friend helping out again, it might require a wait until this fall, unfortunately. If nothing else works out for him, I can put him in touch with my friend, but lets see if one of the Michigan guys from the forum here can help him. Better to keep it in house, and my friend buying, insuring, registering, and then selling TWO bikes in a one month period might just throw some red flags...
'78 CX500 - Back from the brink!
'81 CX500C- Finally Running thanks to Ignitech!
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07-22-2010, 9:44 AM
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Toeehad
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Worcester, MA
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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NH is similar, only they need the vin to be inspected by an inspection station. Another option for those close to NH. That's how I got my TS legal and registered.
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07-22-2010, 3:10 PM
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REB in Raleigh
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Raleigh, NC
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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"Matt's fiance won't let him ride or get his motorcycle license"
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Hmmmm, sounds like Matt needs a new fiance!
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07-22-2010, 3:40 PM
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Blindstitch
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Greenfield Wisconsin
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Re: How to make a non title bike legal.
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Somewhere in the process she must have given in since he is riding and has a license now.
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