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Started by JLO at 02-06-2009 7:07 AM. Topic has 17 replies.
  
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 02-06-2009, 7:07 AM
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JLO
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pro link suspension squeaky
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Late last Fall, I noticed that my rear suspension started to squeak while going over bumps.
I just started my bike last week and when I went to sit on it, it made the same squeak with just my
weight on it. Are there any lube points that I need to address? Any suggestions ? 1982 Interstate
Thanks.
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02-06-2009, 7:24 AM
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wildmanwill
 
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Chester County, Pennsylvania
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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02-06-2009, 7:36 AM
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JLO
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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I just found a bunch of stuff further down the page. Time to get to work.
Thanks.
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02-06-2009, 10:01 AM
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wildmanwill
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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If you have questions, don't be bashful to post them. I think you'll be able to find all of the help you need here!
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02-06-2009, 9:13 PM
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RustyTec
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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Mine has started to squeak again, with a vengeance!
I used Honda Moly 60, as per the shop manual. I have put maybe 12K on it since I did the service 15 months ago. http://choppercharles.com/cs/forums/23045/ShowPost.aspx
I’ve been preaching the use of Moly 60 ever since. - If, I find that that to be wrong, I am sincerely sorry for anyone that might have followed in my footsteps. – I still hope that I ‘ran over’ a dogs squeaky-toy.
I’m going to switch grease.
First, I will look for this stuff:
 David from Wisconsin - R80Dave wrote: | What has worked for me for over 10 years on my brother's Pro-Link assembly is high lithium CVJ grease. Go to NAPA and tell them you want a bag (yes, it comes in a bag) of the cookie dough thick high lithium CVJ grease. It is in a brown plastic bag and if you squeeze it is the constancy of cookie dough. Don’t let them sell you the thinner stuff. It works great on the Pro-Link assembly, the drive shaft if disassembled, the steering head bearings and the rear wheel splines. I have never had it break down in consistency, nor dry out.
Just trim a corner of the bag and when you have used what you need fold the corner over and put a good spring loaded clip on it. The last bag lasted me through a lot of repairs for over 5 years. A little dab will do you ... unless you are packing a roller or ball bearing. |
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If I can’t find it, I will try Dave in Forney’s suggestion of ‘anti-seize’. – I may also silicone the seals shut for wet weather.
Anyone have any suggestions as where to get either?
Thanks
PS Yet one more thread to check out:
http://choppercharles.com/cs/forums/1/30041/ShowPost.aspx
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02-06-2009, 10:09 PM
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DavidfromWisconsin
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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Rusty,
NAPA has the CVJ grease.
I do know that the Moly 60 isn't bad, but I prefer the CVJ grease. My question to you would be, did you clean out all the old grease and rust with a brass shotgun brush???
I found a 12 gauge brush on slow cordless drill will clean out all of the old grease those little diamond cut-outs (on some but not all bikes) in the bearings . I usually can do 3 ProLinks with a brush before it is shot. Also, the little scratches that you may put into the bearing surface will actually hold extra grease.
I wouldn't use anti-seize on the ProLink. It isn't design as a lubricant, but rather to keep things from sticking together after being torqued down.
David From Wisconsin ... R80Dave
'82 GL500I alias Candy
'82 GL500I alias Candy II
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02-06-2009, 10:53 PM
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RustyTec
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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Yes, I used a 12 Gage brush on slow, thanks. I cleaned out every bit of old grease, before the Moly 60%. I will go to Napa today, and ask for it, and see what they say - Thanks.
I do have to admit that my seals appeared to be lacking. (= big gaps, for water to wash it out). [I only rode in the rain four times].
| DavidfromWisconsin wrote: | | I do know that the Moly 60 isn't bad |
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The first grease probably lasted 24 K/ 27 years.- If true, my Mo;y 60 only lasted 12 k/ 15 months. YEA, I'm displeased!
I am certain that it will be easier the second time through this, but I do not want to do it on a yearly basis.
The CX'es are starting to look better, and better. [No Pro-Link].
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02-07-2009, 11:28 AM
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DavidfromWisconsin
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The grease comes in different colors.
Nice Beemer in your avatar.
David From Wisconsin ... R80Dave
'82 GL500I alias Candy
'82 GL500I alias Candy II
'00 BMW K1200LT & trailer
'81 KZ440 (Wife's learning bike)
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02-07-2009, 11:50 AM
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RustyTec
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02-07-2009, 5:03 PM
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RustyTec
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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Well, I’ll be dipped in x and rolled in y. Apparently not everything that squeaks, on a GL, is a Pro Squeak. lol
I removed the bolt between the two Pro Links. It looked exactly the same as when I last put it in. My faith in Honda Moly 60 is fully restored! 
I exercised the front link and it moved freely without a noise. I lifted the rear wheel and heard the squeak. So I removed the lower mono shock bolt. The mono shock moved freely without any noise. The rear link was difficult to move but did not squeak (I should address this, but I don’t believe that it is causing my squeak). I then lifted the rear wheel, and it still squeaks! To me, this proves that my squeak is coming form something else, maybe swing-arm pivot or drive shaft (neither of which have ever been serviced.
Oh well, at least it will be a new adventure and forward progress.
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02-07-2009, 8:35 PM
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DavidfromWisconsin
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Re: pro link suspension squeaky
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Rusty,
That looks like the right grease, but the real test is to give it a squeeze.
You will be the first person I have ever heard of have a squeaky swing arm. It sounds like some work is in store for you ...
David From Wisconsin ... R80Dave
'82 GL500I alias Candy
'82 GL500I alias Candy II
'00 BMW K1200LT & trailer
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02-07-2009, 10:26 PM
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RustyTec
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I am very glad to hear that about the swing-arm endurance. As I, didn't want to service it, yet.
I will now take 10:1 bets; I bet that it is the drive shaft joint, just forward of the rear hub.
- - [That is the only thing that moves for-to-aft (with the swing-arm), on the drive-shaft (other than the u-joint)].
I should have Moly'ed it when I did the tires. - My bad. As it is, only three easy bolts, with no critical stuff.
We shall know tomorrow.....
I am not sure if the rear brake will need to be disconnected, or if it it will be, just a good idea to do so. I do need to jack the wheel, remove the axle, and remove the three rear hub bolts. Maybe I have to move the wheel latterly, to do so. - We shall see.
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02-08-2009, 9:30 AM
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kenglong
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| RustyTec wrote: | |
That's the stuff NAPA had when I went looking but it wasn't cookie dough consistency. It was much wetter and softer, like regular axle grease so I didn't buy it. I bought the Honda Moly 60 from the dealer instead.
Later I found out my father-in-law has a big drum of molybdenum in his storage building. It's a powder. He said he mixes up his own moly grease on demand using white lithium grease and the molybdenum.
Ken in Albuquerque
'83 GL650 Silverwing
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02-08-2009, 10:17 PM
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RustyTec
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The squeak goes on.
Someone should have taken me up on that bet. lol
I removed the brake connections, wheel, final drive and disconnected the front drive-shaft splines. I was shocked that the front splines were completely dry, no trace that it ever had grease on it! No big deal as there was not any apparent ware marks. - The rear drive-shaft spline was good-to-go.
The liquid is PB Blaster.
I Moly-ed it up and torque it all back together, rolled it off the stand, and Squeak! - I mean, you can here this squeak - way down the road! - - (If I don’t get it fixed, I’m not going to need a horn). lol
Anyone know why the shop manual calls for Moly on the front and general purpose Lithium in the zerk, on the rear? ( I ran out of lithium, so I could not test to see if the rear splines, of the drive shaft, is lubed by it. however, there was so much surplus grease there, it would be hard for it to be otherwise).
My logic demands that the squeak has got to be the swing-arm, but my 'gut feeling' tells me, that somehow, it is the pro-link. - I hate it when I disagree with myself. lol
After a quick Google here for 'swing-arm', I have chosen not to remove it, till I exhaust all possibilities, maybe two or three different ways.
Tomorrow, I will remove the rear pro-link. I want to find out why it’s binding. Maybe bend it back into shape, maybe buying new collars/seals/bolts.
If it still squeaks after that, I will have a buddy sit on the bike while I use a stethoscope and long screwdriver.
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02-08-2009, 11:04 PM
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RustyTec
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WOW. Hello Charles.
I am dumbfounded as to why you locked my post. I can only think that it was because you wanted to freeze my 10:1 bet offer. -- (For everyone else, it was my 9:26 PM post that got locked).
I would like to edit out some of my stupidity from the last paragraph. - Duh, you do have to remove the brake arms to remove the wheel.
BTW Good to see you are here and active. Sorry if I unwittingly ran a stray. I am more than willing to abide by you, and the members here. There is no other forum, on the Internet, like this one. Thank you deeply.
Now, what did I do wrong? - (I have never typed this fast, since collage typing class).
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02-10-2009, 12:04 AM
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RustyTec
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Thanks for the reassuring words. Rich.
Might have been that I did, too many things, to this site, too quickly. - I have found that setting up multiple responses and then posting them altogether 'rapid-fire', is not a good idea. - (It just made me wait a 'short bit', to see if I was human). - - I do believe that I experienced a real jerk, being taken out, after very few posts, by Charles. I was very impressed that Charles acted so quickly. - Someone, here must have alerted him by e-mail. - Sure glad the a-hole didn't come back. - - - On a different forum, that I used to frequent, they had a disgruntled member take out the entire site and destroyed all of the old posts. - - Then I found the 'Internet Archive" (not search-able), and is always at least 2 years old. - - - CC looks to have chosen to remain non-archived in Dec '07. I sure hope he makes back-ups..... ( I did find several hundred threads for that site). But they read like old Superbowl info. from three years ago.
I bought a 14 mm swivel socket to be able to remove the top mono shock bolt, without having to remove the air-box. I did not get a chance to touch the bike today.
I thought that I could rule out the top bolt and both pro links, by disconnecting them from each other and moving the swing-arm = squeak. moving each part individually = no squeak. Having it all back together = big squeak.
Maybe, while I moved the swing arm, one of the three parts was being pivoted somehow. I should have asked a neighbor to lift it while I watched.
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I seriously doubt that I will be removing the swing-arm, but just in case (and for others), does the 12 pt 1-1/8" socket have to be a impact socket? - The $6 one I saw at Norther today looked like it had plenty of 'meat' to it. I just worry about the type of steel used. (Moly vs chromium). [I think]
BTW, the guy that came up with the idea to use play-dough to make a templet is genius. - That thread should be a sticky, even if there is not much call for it. Sidecar Bob ain't so bad either. - - - - I just don't known if :
Link:
http://choppercharles.com/cs/forums/25608/ShowPost.aspx
| drneo wrote: | My father and I made the tool out of a socket and
it worked great.
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To get it to line up correctly, we ended up using Play-Doh to mold it
without too much work. ~Thom |
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| Sidecar Bob wrote: | You can make what you need from a 12 point 1
1/8" socket by cutting away teh part in between 4 opposing ridges to a
depth of about 1/4". I couldn't get a 12 point when I made mine so I
had to use a single hex - it works OK but it was more work to make.
One of the big advantages to using a socket is that you can put it on your torque wrench and tighten it up correctly. |
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: that a12 pt impact exist. ( I just want to provide good info here).
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